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Post by mone on Mar 2, 2015 4:44:08 GMT
Did you not read my post on sp?
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Post by ＡＬＬＯＹＳ on Mar 7, 2015 21:08:24 GMT
Site was not even suppose to be released yet, league is still in Beta until "End of May" they still have to re-evaluate & fix things before its set, just like Any other game or league. For the mean time why dont you guys stick to the polls.
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Post by Anci on Mar 9, 2015 0:21:50 GMT
I don't understand the no Tiger Strider or Tracker Knife rule. Sure they're OP, but it's not like someone is going to be running around trying to get kills with a knife in a match.
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Post by ＡＬＬＯＹＳ on Mar 9, 2015 1:11:10 GMT
I don't understand the no Tiger Strider or Tracker Knife rule. Sure they're OP, but it's not like someone is going to be running around trying to get kills with a knife in a match. I believe it affects quick switching. much faster which would give a scope a better advantage, and damage for the obvious. |
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Post by Anci on Mar 18, 2015 13:56:56 GMT
Why isn't the RGN grenade allowed?
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Post by skor on Mar 18, 2015 15:47:30 GMT
People need to stop complaining about the rules. Rules are rules follow and oblige by those rules.
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Plz no flame.
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Post by Brady on Mar 19, 2015 20:11:40 GMT
People need to stop complaining about the rules. Rules are rules follow and oblige by those rules. +1 |
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Post by dzhao on Mar 27, 2015 7:07:22 GMT
I don't think this is complaining. This is discussion. First off rules are made to help the community and when the community doesn't agree with the rules then they are definitely obligated to discuss them. If people follow rules willy nilly then doesn't a dictatorship occur?
On peeking. The argument that if we allow sp then we should allow hacks is a bad argument. Once again. The reason why people are discussion this portion of the rules is because a portion of the community, myself included, believe it is almost impossible to enforce this rule when it is a technique that is built into the game.
So here is my logic:
Players play in a manner that they think will allow them the best chance to beat their opponent. So telling yourself not to sp is really going against what being a competitive player is about. A competitive player wants an edge and everyone can learn how to sp. Now someone brought up non-sp related glitches. The reason why glitches are banned is because they occur at certain locations on the map. So this gives an unfair advantage to one side. But sp can be done anywhere there is a right handed wall, therefore both teams get the ability to sp. So why is there a rule that limits a player from playing at their best potential? I'm not sure.
Then again, with this argument, why not just let all guns be allowed? Since both teams have access to the same gun pool then no unfair advantage occurs.
Thoughts?
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Post by mone on Mar 28, 2015 20:54:30 GMT
"The reason why glitches are banned is because they occur at certain locations on the map. So this gives an unfair advantage to one side."
Right walls are certain locations on the map, giving an unfair advantage to one side.
Sp is banned so that everyone can play on a level playing field. Sure there are right walls around but there aren't right walls everywhere. It's unfair because when one player is in a right wall, the opposing player may not have any right walls to sp, therefore giving the upper hand to the player shouldering. You also brought up crouch spam in another post which is irrelevant. You can crouch spam everywhere but you can't sp everywhere.
"Then again, with this argument, why not just let all guns be allowed? Since both teams have access to the same gun pool then no unfair advantage occurs."
Back to what I was saying earlier, our rule set is very balanced for a reason, so that everyone can play on a level playing field. Most of the better weapons are locked until you reach a certain rank, not everyone is a high rank.
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Post by dzhao on Mar 28, 2015 22:11:14 GMT
Ok this makes sense. But now tell me, if both teams plays the same amount of rounds on BOTH sides of the map.... Then both teams will get access to these walls an equal amount of times. Therefore since both teams can sp, and both teams have the same amount of rounds on each side, is there an unfair advantage throughout the entirety of the match? Since each team has equal access to these spots, the playing field is level.
Now the reason why I think we can ban certain "broken" spots and why we cannot ban sp in general is because of the way we enforce the rules. It is easy to enforce banning a spot. It is however, very hard to enforce the sp rule since people can accidentally sp. Also the sp rules state that you need to submit a fraps'd video of an sp and prove to a mod that it is a for an "extended period of time." This is very subjective and will cause biased decisions. Therefore I think we can ban glitched spots but we can't ban sp because it is too subjective to enforce.
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Post by mone on Mar 29, 2015 1:53:39 GMT
Yes, there still is an unfair advantage. Just because both teams have access to these walls an equal amount of times doesn't mean everyone plays the same.
Warhead example:
(First half) For 7 rounds John peeks pizza box A, while Jackson shoulders green crate in field.
(Second half) For 7 rounds Jackson doesn't peek pizza box A, while John shoulders green crate in field.
Catch my drift?
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Post by dzhao on Mar 29, 2015 5:01:49 GMT
Ok interesting response.
My response to this is:
Since this is a competitive game, I believe that every player that plays this game will play to win. They will play to kill their opponent. In order to do so, each player must play the strongest strategy available to him. So if peeking pizza is the strongest strategy available, it is not smart to not play this strategy because you are giving yourself less of a chance to kill your opponent.
People do play differently, but if sp is the dominant strategy (which it is because it creates unfair situations as we talked above), it is dumb not to play the dominant strategy. You intentionally give yourself a disadvantage by not peeking pizza.
So if someone complains that they are getting peeked at pizza, but chooses not to peek pizza when they switch sides is making the game harder on themselves. Had he peeked pizza (and played the dominant strategy) it would not be unfair.
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Post by mone on Mar 29, 2015 8:12:43 GMT
The dominant strategy is shouldering(sp) green container in field. When I say peeking pizza box A, I don't mean sp.
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Post by dzhao on Mar 29, 2015 16:56:04 GMT
Ok I'm confused now what are you trying to say?
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Post by mone on Mar 29, 2015 18:02:07 GMT
The dominant strategy is SHOULDERING(SHOULDER PEEKING) green container in field, NOT peeking(NOT SHOULDER PEEKING) pizza box A. Now reread my Warhead example.
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