nice rules

There are three aspects of my argument as to why sp is allowed. Let me restate them in succinct sentences:

Sp shouldn't be banned because:

Both teams have access to the same right handed walls because both teams get an equal amount of rounds on each side of the map.

Assuming that every player plays the dominant strategy, each player will get an equal amount of "unfair sp opportunities."

It is correct to ban glitched areas since the rules around glitches is much more stringent than the rules against sp. The rules against sp are subjective and hard to enforce.

Advantages and all that nonsense aside, because I feel that is beside the point really.

All I'm saying is, that it is about 2-3 times easier avoiding a shoulder peek than it is to actually get into a "proper" shoulder peek. So how is that such a hard rule to abide by. Two of the Best pickers I've seen playing lately are probably "Poof" mone, and Tyler "Solvite". I've played against Poof pretty consistently since I came back, and I have yet to see him in a shoulder. So the real problem here isn't the ability to enforce the rule, it's the community's stubbornness to follow the rule. Personally I find it extremely easy to not shoulder, and even if I have, I apologize as soon as I realize (usually before they say anything about it). So don't question the rule, question your fellow players and their lack of maturity to play by the rules this league has decided to enforce. If you know HOW to shoulder then you sure as hell know HOW NOT to shoulder.

Lol mone. You agree with me. As I said. Both teams have an unequal amount of unfair advantages. But I'm arguing that sp can't be banned not that it isn't unfair. SP IS UNFAIR but it doesn't mean we should ban it. There are so many unfair points in the game besides sp as well. For example, the m16 sucks vs. the g3. Hacks are unfair. Sound whoring is unfair. But there is a reason why we banned some and not others. Some things are just very easy to ban. The rules are white and black. Other unfair aspects of the game are almost impossible to ban and I'm arguing that sp is one of those aspects.

Mone we've concluded that we agree. I'm sorry if that took longer for me than you. But when people argue for two different points it gets confusing when both player can't back down.

And Brady. Your point makes sense except it goes off the assumption that players have the same mindset as you. Namely, they dislike shouldering. To be very honest it is very easy to drop into a shoulder (even if it is a good one or a bad one) and therefore I feel that what you think is very easy (avoiding to shoulder) is very hard for other people to do.

Also you must realize that logically, it makes no sense to force yourself to avoid sp. Sp grants someone with an unfair advantage and therefore a player that plays to wins will do it.

That being said your viewpoint still makes sense however, what are the purpose of rules? The rules of any game, any sport, etc. are made to benefit the community. So, if the majority of the community has the same mindset as you, bravo, this rule makes sense. Unfortunately, from my experience, CA doesn't have the same mindset as you. Just because you're friends are good ca players doesn't mean that their mindsets take precedent over the whole community. Plenty of people shoulder so this is why I've brought up this argument against one of the rules.

But haha the forum community is so small that only 4/5 opinions have been heard. rip.

Just because I say something is unfair doesn't mean it should be banned. Sound whoring is unfair. If you hug a wall and your opponent walks willy nilly towards you, you have more information than your opponent therefore you've put yourself into a unfair position.

And I know hacks are against the rule itself. But read my forum post (instead of reading the first paragraph which was a response to mone) before coming up to premature conclusions.

All I was doing was bringing up some unfair situations that were banned and some unfair situations that weren't.

And yes 95% of people do know that they're shouldering. Re-read my comment about rules because what I'm arguing has nothing to do with whether people know they're shouldering or not.

My definition of unfair: One team acquires a higher chance of beating their opponent with the aforementioned strategy. So a team that sound whores has a higher chance of beating a team that doesn't. 

You have yet to read the point of my post. It is pretty pointless talking to you since you're mind is set in stone. Did you not read my definition of unfair?

Wow. The fact that you can't accept someone else's definition of a word really makes this conversation dead. All of my points are based off my definition of the word "unfair." You might define it as a competitive advantage. But either way I've given you my definition of unfair and the points that result from that definition. Just because it differs with your definition with unfair is actually irrelevant. You need read my argument with my definition or else, OF COURSE it'll make no sense. And to be frank, someone's point doesn't have to follow your definitions to be a valid point.

Did I say "MY DEFINITION"? I don't think I see that anywhere. I said "ANY DEFINITION" of "unfair" associated with sound whoring is unthinkable. And your thought process towards that is what makes me question any point that you bring forth. I cant find myself reasoning with someone who calls, what I feel is one of the most important aspects to any competitive first-person shooter (e.g. csgo), "unfair" by ANY definition. Noted that csgo's sound mechanics are LEAGUES ahead of CA, the concept is still there.